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joe palermo
United Kingdom
pulcino
animal dead often make more shock of a person dead or simple homeless we often forget the others and even thought a lot of people working in charities sector the forgot the person next to them…I am apologize for the strong view…..thanks
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Have Your Say
Grecia:07:27 on 13/07/2008
In bad taste, I think..
joepalermo:11:23 on 14/07/2008
as I said above!
ZAMB1A:12:24 on 14/07/2008
I agree in bad taste
joepalermo:02:50 on 14/07/2008
well it seem people do not know to read..it easy to said...but...
Takahasi:09:13 on 14/07/2008
Dont understand the conection.Bad taste.
joepalermo:09:29 on 14/07/2008
thanks
Karlmarx:09:53 on 14/07/2008
A power image. A sad reality in most towns and cities. I would prefer this more to be documnetary picture. Btw, I think you should not aplogize. Why? But reading some comments, i think some wanted to see just those 'dreamy' good picture, ignoring the other side.
remie:09:33 on 15/07/2008
Ya..Cigarette Kills. I hope you did not step on it to take it..ha ha. Jus kidding. I like this pic tells a story..
Stormsong:02:30 on 17/07/2008
Why is this in bad taste?? Can't see it, really.
This is merely a photo that is telling a story. That to my mind is what photography is about.

Not all photographs are going to be cutesy. And to add to some comments made here, never apologise for your art - whether it is writing, or photography or making movies or music or whatever.

PS: To all the critics of this picture, what do you say about the overall winner in the 2007 competition? Pretty?
Grecia:02:32 on 18/07/2008
Stormsong, some people love animals and life. Some people cant hold scatologics stuff, even in the photos. Is this so bad in your opinion? The overallwinner in the 2007 maybe is not "pretty" for you, but hat sensibility and hope in my point of view. I agree, nobody hat to apologise for their art, neither for their opinions. I'm not a critic, I´m just a spectator who don't like this photo.
Joe, you really created a polemic with your photo and that is a good thing, dont you think?
joepalermo:12:04 on 18/07/2008
well the problems is people focous more on things which are maybe meters...but forgett others ...which maybe need priority...
level200:09:38 on 18/07/2008
Why?
joepalermo:12:21 on 19/07/2008
becouse people even if they not thinking they are ..but they are..superficial....this photo it just give the idea of somethings....which it is powerful...but other things more important like global warming,people die for starvation....are always there but easy to forget..even if many people do charities.....
Grecia:11:26 on 19/07/2008
I agree, death is something powerful and your photo talk clearly about death, about violent death, about murder. And the scatologic view is violent too. The point is, Is "animals" the right category for what you want to say?
joepalermo:03:03 on 19/07/2008
it is in documentary as well..be the way..i am not educated(at last in the normal way)so I do not care from where to where ..I care only of the message go accross....got it!!
mimosa:03:07 on 20/07/2008
Using a 'shock' photo to gain attention for yourself, is a very bad idea, however you try to justify it.
Disgraceful, this entry should be removed.
joepalermo:08:43 on 20/07/2008
I respect the opinion of everyone,but what I do not like to be label as an exhibitioner!...which in this case isn't!
and I do not really like what you said even tought you got your reason...
joepalermo:09:14 on 22/07/2008
ART IS FREEDOM
superphilman:06:19 on 27/07/2008
horrid
tiggatiger:12:27 on 29/07/2008
I don't see it as bad taste. But if it's getting that reaction then it's a great picture. Photography is meant to capture all aspects of life including death. It's also meant to shock, proving this to be an amazing photo. Yes it's a dead animal but it's a brillant photo showing death comes to all and sometimes not in the best of ways. The cigrette does confuse a little, I do get the fact you are showing that it is bad and will kill, but not to the fact our guts explode like the bird. It would have been better on it's own. Never the less, very good in showing what photography is about.
joepalermo:01:14 on 29/07/2008
well to tell you the true I haven't know of the cigarette I just sow after the shot at home...thanks for the critics
zephyrphoto:02:03 on 31/07/2008
My photo IS in bad taste (Come and see) I cannot belive people can get so angry over the death of a bird when our entire ecosystem is on the brink of irreparable disaster due to greed.
Much much worse to come I think, perhaps we photographers should all draw attention to it to make people think.

zephyrphoto:02:04 on 31/07/2008
http://poty2008.dcmag.co.uk/3913562627974988223/excess.html
messy4lense:03:02 on 31/07/2008
strong image, considering we were just going to wait for it to grow bigger before we killed it and ate it our selfs, good shot
tonibrado:06:58 on 31/07/2008
it is surprising how many people do not understood this shot!
joepalermo:10:56 on 31/07/2008
mine is just a provocation..but photography is about that as well....you get it who don't...what can I do more than that!
Rita Fortunato:12:39 on 01/08/2008
I think the picture it's show cruelty, pain,tradegy and morbosity! It is not too far from what happen in our world everyday.

We are so fragile and always thinking we are so strong, but in the end we all are going to die no matter what or how, Today we are here and tomorrow we wont.

So try to enjoy the life and love a lot.

Because we may go to the hell if there is one or back to this hell and live our karmas, depend how cruel, painful, killer or morbo you were!
Rita
Stormsong:10:18 on 01/08/2008
Joe, still hold by my original comments! Zephyrphoto, yours is in bad taste, yes, but does the job! (ie illicit comments from viewers) Every photo should get a reaction, whether its good, bad, sympathetic, shock etc. Indifference is the biggest sin.
joepalermo:12:24 on 01/08/2008
I can be agree to every comment..but as I always said some people they need to look them self in the mirror and try to see if they do not forget somethings when refer me as an opportunist!,thanx
justiceimages:12:53 on 04/08/2008
This image does not illustrate your ability to take photographs. This could have been taken by anyone with a camera, not with technical knowledge. As this is a Photographer of the year competition, i cannot understand how its worth this many votes.
dgromanis:01:54 on 04/08/2008
Very interesting shot - photography is about controversy, shocking people with images. We watch video clips on news programmes which are pre-empted with "please note that some viewers may find the following scenes distressing", so why should photography be any different?

The photo isn't really my thing, but I think it's thought-provoking and certainly generated some discussion here!
joepalermo:03:13 on 04/08/2008
well thanks to boths...first of all..in my photos I do not looking for any hi tech!!!my stress is on te picture message..when I want to do something technical I use photoshop for digital stuff...in regarding photo it come at it is!!!!thanks again....and art is freedom...
joepalermo:03:14 on 04/08/2008
and I would like to add..thre aren't many votes....
TedB:03:42 on 04/08/2008
An image should cause the viewer to react in some way, whether for good or ill. I have noticed in competitions in my region (Michigan, USA) that only "famous photographers" can get away with controvertial imaging. If you have ambitions beyond happy stuff, be prepared for a long and lonely road before you are famous enough to show all aspects of your vision.
The extended comments mean that you are well on your way. Regardless, everyone should show their best work without regard to what others think.
Well done!
joepalermo:06:55 on 04/08/2008
well many thanks..that mean I am a trully guerrilla artis..but still i do not get votes!!!..even tought I am happoy...and I would like to remind my photos it a provocation about everyhings else..it seem people are more concerned about this pic..than other issues.....that all...thanks for the support!
rgarrigus:04:05 on 06/08/2008
Hi Joe,

If the goal of photography is to make people think, have an opinion and/ or stir emotion in the viewer then you are succeeding marvelously. I have no problems with your chosen subject and back your choice all the way - not my style but the world needs people to push the envelope so kudos to you. That said, to my amateur eye there are technical shortcomings to this image in composition and focus that diminish it somewhat. It seems to me that the dark band on the right edge distracts somewhat visually and, to my eye, it might work better if the focus on the cigarette were sharper. It is difficult to tell with any certainty at this small web size though. I didn't care for the subject matter of last year's DCPOTY winner but admittedly the photography was technically perfect.

Keep realizing your own vision!

Bob G.
joepalermo:07:01 on 06/08/2008
well trully a professional opinion yours...be the wey the black line on the right it is the side of the squere where the tree was and where the chick felt and bekillied by some hurry people near warrend st.....for the color..well I was just using the 300d at the time so it seem I had to learn...thanks
Black Luck Winter:01:10 on 08/08/2008
Very powerful, it doesnt matter what views people have, it is simply a powerful image that really does get people thinking. Any image that does that, is a great image.
joepalermo:11:53 on 08/08/2008
well it is an image i "wanted" to let the people think and I know with a "simple great" pic I couldn't do it..thanks joe palermo
photocrazypic:10:08 on 10/08/2008
Well Done joe!
This is not not my cup of tea but its an image that tell a story and that's what photography is all about. You get my VOTE.
joepalermo:11:58 on 10/08/2008
well thanks...it seem slot of people see photography as a posh hobby and when you talk often it come out what camera they got and their cars!!!...or in another case if it match the dress....thanks again joe palermo
floatygirl:01:00 on 10/08/2008
Your picture has everyone stopping to take a look, and everyone is compelled to comment. That says something. That is the thing about art, not everyone is going to agree. The fact that you have created something that people can't ignore is special. A lot of famous photos were controversial. So what if some people don't like it? Some people do.
joepalermo:02:18 on 10/08/2008
well as I always said ART IS FREEDOM and even tought it can be use for poilitical reason or commercial even personal have to keep you still and watch,look,read,study...if it does that mean
"it" give you a message...joe palermo
neogfx:06:34 on 11/08/2008
It is a picture that tells a story, and thus belongs in the Documentary category and I think the image should be edited by the photographer to change this. It is a powerful image that talks about the frailty of life and the danger that a lot of animals face in a human-dominated earth, but the Animals category I feel is looking more for a connection to the animals and capturing their character and nuances. So I say, a great image that should be moved by the photographer into the Documentary category, I won't be voting for it here, as I feel it is not in the spirit of the category.
joepalermo:09:22 on 11/08/2008
well you found out it is in the doc section ur are happy now??

ART IS FREEDOM TO ESPRESS YOUR SELF!

it seem strange even to me the same pic in most situable page doesn't get no attention.....well isn't a grat pic...or is??
thanks anyway
joe palermo
www.palermonoir.fr
neogfx:02:08 on 12/08/2008
It was just my opinion, you don't have to agree but you could answer a bit more gracefully. :)
joepalermo:01:37 on 12/08/2008
as I said I am agreed to any comments....but I do not need the votes of anyone!!...so if you do vote or not it is up to you....bye
copout:01:41 on 12/08/2008
HORRIBLE
neogfx:02:51 on 12/08/2008
Bye :) Good luck.
ewood401:08:36 on 12/08/2008
can not decide how I feel about this........a very brave submission
joepalermo:09:53 on 12/08/2008
well it is true it is somethings different of the sunday photos and the holiday pic yu send when you are in holiday,and it is also true it maybe somethings everyone can do and also have nothing to do with the high quality of professional photographer which you can find here,but it also true photography it is also this....don't worry to do not vote me...but thanks to let me know anyway
joe palermo
comet21:03:25 on 13/08/2008
It is quite upsetting that you think it appropriate to display this photograph. Cruel taste!!
joepalermo:07:44 on 13/08/2008
well a photographer show or display something which he sees.
and when you see a reportage of a war what they show you?
as I wrote I used a quite "strong" photos to have a reaction and make understand there are more problems of what you see....gust get back at my initial description...and you see....but what i do not like the way people answer and after my quite simple answer they are the say I rude....thanks anyway
Mittens:09:29 on 13/08/2008
bad taste, don't like the picture.
joepalermo:11:55 on 13/08/2008
probably for you photography it is just glamour pics...it is probably more than that...thanx
aprilio:06:11 on 14/08/2008
che skifo , ma come è morto?
joepalermo:07:02 on 14/08/2008
it wasn't me to be clear!!
be the way...it seem someone careless
walk on it!!!poor dear...
non son stato io
probabilmente qualcuno
ci a messo i piedi sopra!
lhindle:02:19 on 16/08/2008
Repotage it might be - it took me ages to stop my 10 year old daughter from crying when she saw this! I don't disagree with 'real' pictures but please be aware of the people that might see them, for example younger children.
joepalermo:04:44 on 16/08/2008
fair paly...the picture it is in the code of this competition...thanks a lot for still considering photography as an hobby it is not only that..I do understand it is a "havy" photo for some people particulary young and I do apologise but lafe it
is about it...and I am not quite sure if children
probably see in TV and magazine more stressful photos
and imaging....so I am right or wrong??
and I would to like to said few years ago I had been serious injured while I was working in a club as security
but no was was car becouse as the mentality of people's
a door man it just someone with a chicken brain who do not nothing to do....well it took good one years to get back in good halth and no even a single soul help me...there we go maybe cthe "ppulcino" could be me....or it was...thanks
simon_Templar:08:20 on 17/08/2008
I think that this is an interesting perspective on life and death. As someone as already said the chick would have been killed for another sort of pleasure anyway. As long as the artist only documented the death and didn't take part in its demise, I think that this is a great photo.

Any kind of art form is to constantly strive to be better and different than what was before it, else we would just be constantly producing the same art like a factory conveyor belt.
surgeon001:10:11 on 20/08/2008
ouch, dont like, well????? no dont like!
joepalermo:11:03 on 20/08/2008
you free to say...thanks
stooky:09:24 on 26/08/2008
Disgusting!!!
joepalermo:07:23 on 27/08/2008
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DJW2212:10:04 on 31/08/2008
Er, the image isn't the best I've seen entered in this competition, not by a long shot. It wasn't taken at the best angle, with the most expensive lens, or with the coolest crap added with photoshop. But it's great as art. I think every one of you to comment has felt compelled to because you felt something, thanks to the image. Isn't that the point of artistic photography?
joepalermo:11:26 on 01/09/2008
I wrote before to capture attention a glamour pic it may good but no the best...and even tought I maybe do not have class but I do have my style and I stress the fact my pictures are not only for be hang on the wall!thanks....palermonoir.fr
ictustwin:01:55 on 04/09/2008
Although I can kinda understand people saying that this pic is in 'bad taste' it will get my vote - how often do we see 'bad taste' images on the news - do any of the people on here saying that this photo is in bad taste complain to their local or national news stations????? I don't think so. If you DO - well, get a life ('scuse the contradictory pun). For gods sake, this picture DOES tell a story - like who was guilty of stepping on the poor little chick (could have been done on purpose, could have been by accident.....THATS the story of this pic) Anyway, I think the image is STRONG coz of the subject. By the way, one of the BIGGEST photographic exhibitions here in Yorkshire a few years back was at Bradford Museum of film and photography - and the subject??? It was ALL images of DEATH - dead babies, dead youngsters, middle agers and old people. So please stop hating this image - NONE of us can get away from death - be it SEEING it in papers, hearing it on the news, listening about it on the radio etc.

Well done on a brave subject matter

Andy Halstead :-)
superphilman:11:12 on 04/09/2008
it's in bad, and technically a bad image.
superphilman:11:13 on 04/09/2008
bad taste*
joepalermo:12:37 on 05/09/2008
animal dead often make more shock of a person dead or simple homeless we often forget the others and even thought a lot of people working in charities sector the forgot the person next to them…I am apologize for the strong view…..thanks
WWW.PALERMONOIR.FR
NB I even use the lower resolution.....
because is what the picture mean the
real value....but you are to blind for
technical things than anything else!
joepalermo:12:33 on 09/09/2008
palermonoir.fr
roymorris:03:28 on 16/09/2008
Not a trend I'd like to see continue and has little technical merit.
joepalermo:06:49 on 16/09/2008
my works have nothing to do with technical!
PALERMONOIR.FR
roymorris:11:03 on 16/09/2008
I can see that !
roymorris:11:03 on 16/09/2008
I can see that !
joepalermo:12:35 on 17/09/2008
well style is style and that is mine....you probably do not even know....what I am talking about...you comment are useless....palermonoir.fr
roymorris:10:03 on 17/09/2008
tosser
Frances Conway:11:37 on 17/09/2008
I can't believe the comments made.
It's life!
If a baby bird is unwell, the mother bird throws it out of the nest.
I think it's a great picture and you get my vote.
I must say the fag on the pavement added to it.
Very well done!

Fran
joepalermo:12:02 on 18/09/2008
thanks this is the pic which is what it is have nothing to do with fashion photography it is a report e testimony of something happen.....no more no less..but as I said is a photo let people think and even tought they forgot "few" big issues!!! thanks ..palermonoir.fr
joepalermo:12:03 on 18/09/2008
to the editor
??NB: where are all the vote
of people said the vote??
as the last one!?
thanks
palermonoir.fr
roymorris:08:58 on 18/09/2008
He didn't mean to include the ciggie end - "only saw it when got home"
joepalermo:06:46 on 18/09/2008
cool so you know to read very good! so you do understand I haven't killed the baby bird and also you want to say any photo reporter are killers??that is why i got the shot as it was pluss the was the cigarette or whatever.......
I mean where someone got the camera it doesn't mean is a photographer or an artist......I am nobody but some people I not know who the thinking they are!..thannx
palermonoir.fr
roymorris:07:31 on 18/09/2008
I didn't call you a bird killer - but you are a tosser !
joepalermo:11:41 on 18/09/2008
I would like to see this kind of opinion against political parties and criminal..I did know I will some kind of negative reactions.....but there is an artist now days which make more money than me....and I do not even want to say the name...well I am what I am I do not need someone tell me what I am!...thanks ...palermonoir.fr
roymorris:01:04 on 19/09/2008
tosser
joepalermo:12:50 on 19/09/2008
well tat as far I can take from someone ide himself online...
be te way said whatever as i am not easy to offend..in my life I ad te top and boton life who probaly you can just dream about...but you know life is about "esperience" which it seem you do not had.....you are like alot of people easy to open the mouth and do no donoting.. ART IS FREEDOM so u can use it o but a nice photo or work in ur ouse or use it to open the mind of people or show wath happening politcaly or socialy.....with something direct or not directly...this us my pic....you comments just show how some people are...and I am not wating for any awards!!!!..bu if I get something I will not refused!
good bye have a good day anyway my messge go accross....that is all I want! palermonoir.fr
joepalermo:09:35 on 22/09/2008
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51goldie:10:46 on 23/09/2008
There have been many negative comments about this photo. In my opinion it is a great photo, well taken (I would have removed the cigarette).
To those who say it is wrong to show this I ask this: when you see an image of death, destruction or decay in the newspapers do you complain, turn the page or just read on? Things like this happen daily, hourly even - it forms part of mans inhumanity to man (or beast if you prefer). We are responsible for cruelty to both animals and our fellow beings - that is an inescapable fact, does that mean it should be hidden? I think not - this photo is thought proviking and fully gets my vote.
mr magic:03:27 on 23/09/2008
first and foremost your pic is in the wrong catagory.It says animals not dead animals so anyone that voted for it in this catagory are wrong to do so.You obviously knew that the cigarette was in the pic because you fitted it nicely into the corner otherwise the bird would have been in the middle,so all i can get from your message is that smoking is linked in some way to the bird dying which isnt the case and in fact your taking the mick out of the poor little birds death and you should have more respect
roymorris:10:23 on 23/09/2008
he has no respect for the bird or his viewers
joepalermo:02:44 on 24/09/2008
very well and as punishment I will be have my head cut..or I will be deported in ITALY where I come from??
you are easy talker but good for nothing..I want to see see if you have the same respect for others....palermonoir.fr...thanks jp
joepalermo:02:50 on 24/09/2008
check this out.....
http://poty2008.dcmag.co.uk/3913562627859467522/nailed.html
Codename.oc:10:51 on 26/09/2008
Yuck
joepalermo:04:32 on 27/09/2008
well I see you all do a great nothing....palermonoir.fr
karl_weller:01:18 on 28/09/2008
true to life picture of everyday turmoil for all creatures, well done
joepalermo:09:23 on 29/09/2008
thanks is good someone look over and
understood what I am tring to do...
thanks palermonoir.fr
triandifilo:05:45 on 30/09/2008
I have been reading through all the comments & I am sitting here laughing especially at the word 'tosser' being passed again & again! This one picture has caused so many to voice what opinions they have! I am not going to type what my opinion is of this but I am looking forward to reading more comments!
joepalermo:08:02 on 30/09/2008
one sentence art is freedom....and people are freer to say whatever..but if is offensive do not think I will keep my mouth or think shout....that is all....palermonoir.fr
triandifilo:09:40 on 01/10/2008
I haven't said anything against your picture or in favour of it. I choose to 'look from the sidelines' I agree 'art is freedom' and I admire you for standing up to everyone & speaking your own mind, whether I agree with you or not I choose not to voice that.
joepalermo:02:15 on 01/10/2008
well my comment was not point to you was wiser...anyway I check out most of the galleries of the others photographer who are agaist my "pulcino"...I would like only stress the fact years ago I was serious injured..and no one was helping me at all....charities,socials..and what so ever..but it seem the "pulcino" strike..as I wrote on the pre comment of this pic!!!..thanks palermonoir.fr
Merendero:12:14 on 03/10/2008
It's fantastic, without words to describe my admiration for this great Artist. Giuseppe caruso
joepalermo:03:42 on 04/10/2008
many thanks
palermonoir.fr
gibbeclaudio:04:06 on 12/10/2008
Really strong ... excellent photo.. one vote from me.. c.
gibbeclaudio:04:11 on 12/10/2008
to me the message is pretty clear, if we keep going on living the way we are living this is how we are going to anded out. C.
joepalermo:06:49 on 12/10/2008
well thanks for the vote but it seem not recorded..anyway it seem with the credit crunch everyone are now scared...but if the only open the eyes before it maybe could be possible to save this situation which is only happening becouse people are ego!!!selfish....thinking about themself even tought the say the help others....the tusnami was an exmple how how a lot of so called charity workes wouldn't do something for the ethical....well and that is well known.....thanks again...now we got this crisis...becouse people want make money without risk anything....it coudn't be forever...palermonoirf.fr
mr magic:10:50 on 15/10/2008
why isnt the bird in the middle if you only saw the cigarette after you took the pic?
joepalermo:12:29 on 15/10/2008
well it is as it was...naturally
I croped it..but is still at it
was...it seem if you try to say
somethings different speak up...
it full off so called genuine p
eople or mybe hypocrite..which
isn not me...what about you?!?!?
ciao palermonoir.fr
saetre:08:47 on 15/10/2008
Great capture. It evokes emotion in people, and thats a good thing and the main point of photography as far as I see it. Voted.
joepalermo:08:17 on 16/10/2008
thanks....palermonoir.fr
mr magic:10:07 on 20/10/2008
when i look at a picture i think of a reason behind it, im finding it hard to think of a reason to this one,so i then listen to what you have written.still quite confused because you get angry.Why did you take this photo and what does the ciggarette have to do with the dead bird? if you dont mind me asking
joepalermo:06:23 on 20/10/2008
I am just respondig to stupid questions not get angry...however have you read the top description of the photo????
thanks
palermonoir.fr
gibbeclaudio:06:53 on 26/10/2008
the vote is now recorded C.
joepalermo:06:34 on 27/10/2008
thanks a lot I am happy to see people do understand...
and over all it was a surprise to see that much attention
to a photo which just show another reality which often we forgot....thanks
www.palermonoir.fr
Colin Smale:07:39 on 27/10/2008
I'm afraid this picture makes no sense to me at all. What does the cigarette butt have to do with it, is the bird supposed to be on the road, how would we know. Certainly no vote for this one !
VELAR GRANT:08:29 on 27/10/2008
BODY AND SOUL,LIFE AND ETERNITY,CAGE AND ESCAPE....IS SO EASY TO BE ON ANOTHER SIDE
joepalermo:05:57 on 31/10/2008
thanks to everyone...even the people against....
be the way ......
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